Greedy Landowners

[dccchunter]

Hey everyone I was just wondering if anyone else has encountered the same problems I have...last week me and a buddy scouted this area out and its a good 250 yds away from a house and the cove was holding a few mallards, black ducks, and buffleheads. Well we planned on hunting it Monday morning and we got there and started looking for a place to park the boat and out of nowhere my buddy said whats that sign say and it said baited area...there were no signs there when we scouted on thursday and none there on sunday the only thing i can come up with is that the guy that was outside mowing his lawn rode over sunday evening and put the hand written signs up. B/c as soon as we idled into the cove his lights came on. I have witnessed this happen 3 times this yr and its starting to make me kinda frustrated, i just had to vent so i'm sorry if someone sees this as a pointless cove but i was wondering if anyone has encountered this same problem as well. Although i've posted before i just wanna introduce myself i'ma 21 yr old college student and have been duck hunting since i was 5 from good ol lexington nc and love my bbq and i love my beer natty light, keystone, busch lite, and pbr...mainly bc ima broke college student so fellas hope everyones has a decent yr even tho the weather has been alil wacky and crazy this yr

[duk_cmdr]

sounds like you guys encountered a real nice one! who the heck mows in January??

on a serious note...you can bet its the actions of those before you that have ticked this guy off in some way, and he's found a way of keeping hunters away from his cove by baiting. He's probably fed up with the skybusting, terrible mallard calling, cove running, herding birds, and shooting early, etc. that he's dealt with since Oct.

frustrating for those of us who do it the right way, YES. you guys made a wise decision to go to Plan B...as I'm sure he would have called the warden had you decided to hunt there (over HIS bait)

[Jimbob]

Report it to the gw's for hunter harassment.

[monroe duck]

a good 250 yds away from a house

250??

[dccchunter]

yea idk how we ruffled his feathers i did witness some guys in a bass tracker drivin down the middle of the lake shootin the coots and pier queers our hunt ended up not so successful but the guys that set up beside us about lst had a good hunt (pisses me off) didnt mind if they were there before us but settin up 75 yds from us cuttin us off just burns me up but oh well that public land huntin'...nothin ever goes as expected but hopefully this last week of season will end up being successful... the reason i stated 250 yds is because there werent any baited signs anywhere in this cove last thursday or sunday otherwise 250 would make me look stupid bc the law says 300 yds but from an occupied resident is like 166 yds or somethin like that

[monroe duck]

yea idk how we ruffled his feathers i did witness some guys in a bass tracker drivin down the middle of the lake shootin the coots and pier queers our hunt ended up not so successful but the guys that set up beside us about lst had a good hunt (pisses me off) didnt mind if they were there before us but settin up 75 yds from us cuttin us off just burns me up but oh well that public land huntin'...nothin ever goes as expected but hopefully this last week of season will end up being successful... the reason i stated 250 yds is because there werent any baited signs anywhere in this cove last thursday or sunday otherwise 250 would make me look stupid bc the law says 300 yds but from an occupied resident is like 166 yds or somethin like that

My head hurts

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[Bud Soda]

yea idk how we ruffled his feathers i did witness some guys in a bass tracker drivin down the middle of the lake shootin the coots and pier queers our hunt ended up not so successful but the guys that set up beside us about lst had a good hunt (pisses me off) didnt mind if they were there before us but settin up 75 yds from us cuttin us off just burns me up but oh well that public land huntin'...nothin ever goes as expected but hopefully this last week of season will end up being successful... the reason i stated 250 yds is because there werent any baited signs anywhere in this cove last thursday or sunday otherwise 250 would make me look stupid bc the law says 300 yds but from an occupied resident is like 166 yds or somethin like that

college student??????

[BullSprig12]

People put signs up like that because of the dumb **** hunters on the lake now. I live in Swearing Creek in sight of the bridge at the old Scott's tackle shop, and had some dumb*** set up less than 100 yards from my pier. I could really care less myself about it, but my neighbors were really pissed. I mean I would never hunt at a spot like that, "don't see the sport of it!" but now a days people are more about the kill than the hunt. My next door neighbor called the sheriff but I don't think it did any good. I talked with my neighbor and he told me that he watched the guys run up some ducks next to a pier and shoot them as the flew over. I myself didn't see that, but I did see them monday morning tie up to a retaining wall with piers less than 20 yards on each side of them. I sat and my back porch and watched them call a group of 4 ducks consisting of two tame mallards and 2 solid white ducks. They peeled off and went right to them, the guys shot and killed the 2 mallards and let the other 2 fly off. I just figured I would share this story with ya so that you would realize the reasons why alot of people are against hunting all together. This is a prime example of what is going to end up hurting the ones of us who hunt in the correct ways!!

[QuakAttack]

the reason i stated 250 yds is because there werent any baited signs anywhere in this cove last thursday or sunday otherwise 250 would make me look stupid bc the law says 300 yds but from an occupied resident is like 166 yds or somethin like that

He must be going to school to be a lawyer or politician

[bub82hd]

i think it sould be a law there you can not put bait on puplic land. i hunt a river once in awhile and try not to hunt where someone else has hunted but it is hard when you get to a spot that when the sun comes up you look down and the bottom is yellow with corn and no one one has been hunting there all year.

[Jimbob]

It should be illegal to feed waterfowl on ANY property, public or private, period...or it should be legal, everywhere.

[Camel Toe]

I sat and my back porch and watched them call a group of 4 ducks consisting of two tame mallards and 2 solid white ducks. They peeled off and went right to them, the guys shot and killed the 2 mallards and let the other 2 fly off.

I would've shot the two white ones first...

CT

[Ringneck]

Like I said many times before, it should be illegal to bait in PUBLIC waters.

[Jimbob]

It should be illegal to FEED waterfowl in ANY waters. It would be impractical to outlaw planted food, though. You'd have to outlaw farming.

[Mallard Cutter]

God I love a good High Rock thread !!!!! Glad I don't live up there !!!! I might get a little bored hunting my small beaver pond one day a week but at least I ain't got to be around that crap.

[Dr. Doom]

People put signs up like that because of the dumb **** hunters on the lake now. I live in Swearing Creek in sight of the bridge at the old Scott's tackle shop, and had some dumb*** set up less than 100 yards from my pier. I could really care less myself about it, but my neighbors were really pissed. I mean I would never hunt at a spot like that, "don't see the sport of it!" but now a days people are more about the kill than the hunt. My next door neighbor called the sheriff but I don't think it did any good. I talked with my neighbor and he told me that he watched the guys run up some ducks next to a pier and shoot them as the flew over. I myself didn't see that, but I did see them monday morning tie up to a retaining wall with piers less than 20 yards on each side of them. I sat and my back porch and watched them call a group of 4 ducks consisting of two tame mallards and 2 solid white ducks. They peeled off and went right to them, the guys shot and killed the 2 mallards and let the other 2 fly off. I just figured I would share this story with ya so that you would realize the reasons why alot of people are against hunting all together. This is a prime example of what is going to end up hurting the ones of us who hunt in the correct ways!!

And some very short sighted hunters want SUNDAY hunting too? Talk about a kiss of death for many, now open places to hunt. Bad enough to have shooting all around your lake home on Saturday, can't imagine the uproar that will take place if it were allowed the whole weekend. And even if NCWRC restricted it to certain areas, the result would be tremendous overcrowding and even fewer ducks than there are now- especially if they are being shot at in the same place two consecutive (weekend) days.

But that's the problem, not enough places to duck hunt around the piedmont and more hunters (and slobs) than ever. And they don't give a chit how they hunt or who they pizz off just so long as they shoot at some ducks. It's only going to become more and more restrictive and you can thank people like the one above for that.

[duckplucker]

I couldn't agree more with you Dr Doom. I live in a rual area and Sunday hunting would be a nightmare to deal with. Why? Deer hunters, espcially Dog Hunters. If you live in an urban sub division or in a county that doesn't allow dog hunting for deer you have no idea how much of asses this crowd can be. Their always up and down the highway, in your yard , on your property always the same excuse,I'm looking for my dogs" They ride around at night shining every field in the area, I guess their still looking for their dogs. (Even though there is a 11 pm cut off.) I would love to see dog hunting gone, I would love to see spot lighting gone too. By far some of the rudest, inconsiderate and ignorant people I have ever had to deal with are deer hunters espcially dog hunters from Columbus County. Give'em Sunday and I'll lose the only day of rest I can get.

[Ringneck]

I couldn't agree more with you Dr Doom. I live in a rual area and Sunday hunting would be a nightmare to deal with. Why? Deer hunters, espcially Dog Hunters. If you live in an urban sub division or in a county that doesn't allow dog hunting for deer you have no idea how much of asses this crowd can be. Their always up and down the highway, in your yard , on your property always the same excuse,I'm looking for my dogs" They ride around at night shining every field in the area, I guess their still looking for their dogs. (Even though there is a 11 pm cut off.) I would love to see dog hunting gone, I would love to see spot lighting gone too. By far some of the rudest, inconsiderate and ignorant people I have ever had to deal with are deer hunters espcially dog hunters from Columbus County. Give'em Sunday and I'll lose the only day of rest I can get.

Quit complaining DP. We all know you would not be home on Sunday fighting with the dog hunters. You'd be out with the rest of us staring at mostly empty skies one more day of the week.

[duckplucker]

blaming the WRC for there not being any ducks.

[Ringneck]

But we have ducks, we're just to dumb to find them. Give it a week or two and they'll be ducks everywhere.

[dogdriver]

duckplucker wrote:
I couldn't agree more with you Dr Doom. I live in a rual area and Sunday hunting would be a nightmare to deal with. Why? Deer hunters, espcially Dog Hunters. If you live in an urban sub division or in a county that doesn't allow dog hunting for deer you have no idea how much of asses this crowd can be. Their always up and down the highway, in your yard , on your property always the same excuse,I'm looking for my dogs" They ride around at night shining every field in the area, I guess their still looking for their dogs. (Even though there is a 11 pm cut off.) I would love to see dog hunting gone, I would love to see spot lighting gone too. By far some of the rudest, inconsiderate and ignorant people I have ever had to deal with are deer hunters espcially dog hunters from Columbus County. Give'em Sunday and I'll lose the only day of rest I can get.


your right ringneck he would be in the water looking for a duck that does not come around this region very often only the ones that are dumb,as far as us dog hunters we hunt something that is worth hunting. we are just like you we hunt just a differnt way, we are hated to just like people that hunt ducks around the beach waking the rick yanks at the crack of dawn. the use of sporting dogs in on the way out period if we lose the right to hunt with our deer hounds your going to lose the right of your bird dogs we all just need to keep together and keep the sports we love alive.

[Ringneck]

I've never had a problem with dog deer hunting. My only problem is the renegades who drop tail gates on a few hundred acres and expect to be able to run all over the county "looking for dogs". That just ain't right. If you have enough land to run dogs, go for it. I know several hunt clubs that have a great time and they have thousands of acres to run around in. They never run the outside perimeter of their property and never bother a soul. The days of running up and down public roads or trespassing on private property trying to cut off dogs are numbered. It ain't 1960 anymore. That goes for duck hunting in people's backyards too. Times change.

[Jimbob]

...the use of sporting dogs in on the way out period if we lose the right to hunt with our deer hounds your going to lose the right of your bird dogs we all just need to keep together and keep the sports we love alive.

This has to be one of the lamest arguments in support of deerdogging there is, and I see it used in virtually every discussion where deerdogging is brought to task. It has no validity at all.

The reason it doesn't is that nobody ever complains about bird hunters or coon hunters running all over them, nor retrievers. There just aren't that many coon hunters out there anymore, and because they run at night, in pretty remote areas most of the time, and because they don't actively abuse their neighbors, they don't really count. As for bird dogs and retrievers, they aren't endangered because they are always under control in a very contained area.

But deerdoggers, with a few exceptions, are the worst of the American hunting breed. The typical attitude is that because they feed and vet a pack of mangy hounds, they have rights superior to EVERYBODY else...and far superior to private property rights. That is the attitude that's killing the sport.

I recently read on another site, where a guy felt he had plenty of land to run dogs on...500 acres. We used to run dogs on 1300 acres, and even though we ran beagles (much easier to catch), we routinely had dogs get away. In those days, it didn't matter much. Everything around up was either woods or farms, and everybody expected deer dogs to get away once in a while. But nowadays, everything is not woods and farms. There are houses everywhere, and most, if not all, really resent being overrun by deerdoggers.

Couple that with a recent news story on t.v. about how all the eastern NC animal shelters have to gear up after Jan 1 every year to accommodate all the abandoned deer dogs whose sorry owners don't want to feed and vet off season, and THERE you have the reason that running deer with dogs is going to disappear soon, and rightfully so.

[dogdriver]

its the same with every sport dog hunter do stuff that is not right same with duck hunting im not here to aruge, but duck hunter do non ethical things to such as jump shoot bait duck ect every one on this site ,just about has jump shot a duck or hunted over bait, if you say you havent your more than likely lieing i as a responible hound owner i do no turn my hounds loose on the 1st of the year,feed the 1st through the 1st, as far as coon hunters they sometimes tree on other propertys but is that property owner in his deer stand when they tree.

[KAhunter]

The biggest problem i see with deer dogs becoming illegal is there is a large population of hunters that i feel would leave the sport for good - that would not be good for any of us. I find them to be a pain in the butt as well as they run ALL OVER my land and come on constantly with no regard to any property rights so i do what i can to keep them in check and just let it ride. But its gonna change hopefully it will just be set up a little better to allow for more contact with the landowner before you come on the proerty. If its done right it works but unfortunately its not working.

I know this is another thread and doesnt have much to do with this one but how is jump shooting not ethical?? I dont see the non ethics in stalking a duck and getting to within shooting range(which is no easy task sometimes) and killing the duck when it jumps up. I dont do this much so its not a big deal to me i am just curious. This is an accepted and normal practice in pretty much every other type of hunting so what makes its unethical in waterfowl hunting?

[dccchunter]

sat morning witnessed a bunch of yahoos set up on a point in a huge boat blind less that 50 yds from my neighbors pier...needless to say they put out a hundred diver decoys and 3 mojos and atleast 3 or 4 pulsators... i watched them attempt to call for about an hr straight. They never pulled the trigger plus their calling was attracting more crows than anything, my neighbor called the sheriff on em' and by the time he got their they had just finished an hr nd half or so picking up decoys, etc. Seems like some people never take the time to read and learn the regulations i mean sure we all know that hunting public land around high rock has gotten tough, but thats bc to many yahoos are out there just for the killing they could care less about scouting and putting forth the time and effort to have a successful hunt. Me personally have spent countless hrs out on the water scouting for ducks this yr and have had a somewhat successful season, but i hope duck hunting will go back to the way it used to be around here when you could go out and always have somewhat of a successful hunt b/c there wasnt everybody and their moms out there tryin to be the "duck commander". I think if some of these people would actually take the time to learn about duck hunting they see how rewarding a morning is watching the sun come up and the woods/water come alive, and how rewarding it is to have birds actually work the dekes and come in commited opposed to skybusting. I've had numerous mornings this year where we've ended up with nothing but still enjoyed the sport b/c of its obsession, and theres been mornings where we were just thrilled to watch groups circle the dekes over and over nothin better than seeing mallards circle and circle and call back to ya and its even more rewarding when your able to bag a couple. But hopefully everyone on here has had a good season even tho high water around here has spread the birds out more than normal, but everyone be safe and good luck

[Ringneck]

Sc passes law on dog hunting.

http://www.thestate.com/politics/story/1111091.html

[Jimbob]

The biggest problem i see with deer dogs becoming illegal is there is a large population of hunters that i feel would leave the sport for good - that would not be good for any of us.

Quite frankly, if outlawing deerdogging would rid hunting of the renegade doggyrunners, I'd be willing to lose the few who aren't (might make January duck hunting more pleasant, too), but seriously doubt the good ones would quit.

[duckplucker]

I don't mind dog hunters in places like the Green Swamp. Its 400,000 acres and nobody lives in there. The few that do are dog hunters for the most part. I've also noticed that all problems with dog hunters are the "younger generation" hunters in their 40's and below. The older men that I know that dog hunt are not near as disrespectful as the younger set. I think that speaks for all hunting though.

[ECoastDuckMan84]

Hunting with dogs is like anything eles, You have sorry a** people in every sport, no matter which it is. It's these people who dont care that make it bad on the sport and everyone eles who enjoys it. Just like fishing holes, you find a good one, sorry a** people start dumping trash on access paths and next thing you know, no one is allowed to fish the hole again. Ive still hunted and dog hunted all my life and have met some of the nices people ive ever met on both sides of deer hunting. Most the guys i know who own dogs run them year around in pens and outside, that take pride and care of all thier dogs just like some of you duck hunters that take pride hunting with labs. These guys arent the ones trespassing and putting a bad name on the sport, its your sorry REDNECKS that dont hardly work,on dissability & get around better than most of us and dont give a Damn about anybody's property or what anybody thinks. Same thing with duck hunting, the guys who hunt after hours over baited areas, hunting property without asking, sneaking in making a bad name for the sport Waterfowling. I know i just asumed work a flock of ducks, watching them circle several times rather I pick up the gun or not..rather they land, or fly away.... just to watch them circle and fly the way they do is what I get out of it... to me thats hunting... when you scout, find birds, setup where they want to be... then work them and decoy them.... it dont always happend that way, but thats the idea and what I call DUCK HUNTING!!

Back to hunting with dogs, ive never been able to tell a dog not to go on someone eles land, if i could id be a millionare. Most dog clubs have atleast one a**hole that gives the sport a bad name, just like every job has atleast one a**hole that makes the job that much more a job. I love hearing a dog run, rather I shoot a deer or not... its hearing a good race which is why most dog hunters hunt and take pride in what they do... its the bad guys that dont take care of dogs, that let them loose after Jan 1st or send them to the pound.... NO its not right, and they should pay for it.. but like every cracked head in america, its a matter of getting caught and getting in trouble for what they do. But before you go to running down the idea of hunting with dogs, you need to realize that people love it just as much as you do duck hunting or anything eles as far as that goes, and think what would happend if they took somthen away you love doing. Its all ready hard enough finding a place to duck hunt because of the sorry a** guys who have messed it up for us all... and every year it gets harder do to that fact. Places you could once hunt that now, you cant. Wake up guys, if you know sorry people who put bad names on the sport, talk sh*t to them....as I do, rather it works or not.... you know that they are doing things illegal, call the game warden on them.. because they are the ones hurting what we love... every year rather its dog hunting or duck hunting.

Its real easy to hide behind the computer and talk sh*t about another sport, because of a incounter you had that ****** you off.... Start taking actions, and getting in touch with G.W. So maby he can get rid of the sorry trash we have out there given us all a bad REP. So before you talk sh*t about Greedy Landowners, think about it first....I dont blame them for being Greedy.. heck I own land and greedy myself.... but theres a reason for it....and i would bet that everyone up here knows atleast one person that is responsible for people being greedy of there land, and hunting illegal.

[Jimbob]

If you're in a dog club, it's up to you to get rid of the outlaws, but I see way too many of them out there to believe that anybody's serious about halting the asswipe practices of the outlaws. Seems they always have the best dogs, or access to that one good small tract, or something else, that seems to matter so much to a club that they won't get rid of them. And by failing to police them out, the whole practice of running dogs is going to go, not if, but when.

In our old club, we DID get rid of the outlaws, and it made the club so small, that we got rid of our dogs and our leases, and just concentrated on still hunting our 1300 acre home place. Guess what happened? The outlaws joined neighboring clubs and ran the crap out of our place every chance they got. Despite that, we killed more deer, and better deer than we ever did while dog hunting.

It's up to all of us to not associate with the trouble makers. If you do, you're part of the problem, not the cure. If enough of us don't associate with them, they will eventually disappear.

[ECoastDuckMan84]

Yeah.. thats right jimbob... Our club,has been around since 1953, we have had what you call Outlaws... and they only made it through 1 year. At the end of every season, we have our meeting, and with no suprise we voted the outlaw out that year. But some clubs consist of 5-15 Outlaws, which make it a bad club and eventually will fall apart and loose land anyway because of all the problems with surrounding clubs, landowners,etc. Ive been hearing every year for the past 10 years that dog hunting is going away, and it will be outlawed... In some counties you cant hunt with dogs now, alot you can. I hear alot of game wardens talking now about the still hunting clubs not killing does, letting does go trying to manage bucks. As where most dog clubs shoot doe's. The game wardens ive talked to say dog hunting will be around for a while to come in most counties due to the fact that if it wont for them, no doe's would be shot..meaning the deer heard wouldnt be cut down none.. Regardless of the bad DOG CLUBS out there, there are still alot of good ones that dont have any problem with anyone and pick up more land every year for that FACT. And the Game Wardens ive talked to realize that as well, some actually enjoy hunting with these dog clubs, including ours, and are doing what they can to keep it that way, as well as other organizations. Bottome line, like you said, dont associate with these outlaws... sooner or later they will dissapear

[MindTrikCallr]

Here is my take on it...first the SC law is a DO NOTHING law..they can prosecute under trespassing RIGHT NOW for what that law says it does. Second, just because your DOG is on anothers property doesn't give you rights to trespass and go get the dog. I don't care if you can see the dog wrapped up in barbed wire...your STILL TRESPASSING if you are on property without permission. We had some yahoos driving down the road on our property and we asked what they were doing...LOOKIN DOGS they said...with one guy in the bed of the truck with a gun....We asked them to kindly leave as they were trespassing and they proceeded to tell us how they could be there, blah blah blah....GW came out and instructed them that they were in fact trespassing, didn't matter if they were looking for dogs or not. Those guys ACTUALLY THOUGHT having dogs run thru the property gave them a right to trespass...

NOW...I know some are going to hate me for this...but we should NEVER throw fellow hunters under the bus...they might be aggravating...but we are already a small percentage of the population...if we allow THEM to divide us...it won't be hard to pick us off one by one, group by group. I think the best thing to do is shore up our laws in the hunting regulations and EDUCATE the idiots that think running dogs gives them some Platinum set of rules.

As far as baiting..I think the whole "Baited Area" sign stuff should be investigated and people charged with hunter harassment. I mean...if someone wanted to they could go all up and down the intracoastal waterway and every river and throw out corn and post up a sign...PETA freaks are nutzo enough to do crap like that...Hmmm...maybe if they do it they'll send naked models down to do it...that would stop my hunt...for the day at least

[Jimbob]

Boy, lots to address...

1. If you are associated with a dog club that shoots does, you are a member of a minority. Most dog clubs still fine doe shooters. Their famous rally cry is, "You ain't gonna have no deer if'n you shoot the ones havin' the baybees!"

2. I've never heard of a still hunting club trying to practice QDMA by not shooting does. On the other hand, I've heard of plenty who fine buck shooters, especially when they are first starting out, then later fining those who shoot non-cull bucks, while charging trophy fees for good bucks, whose take is severely limited, and encouraging maximum doe kill to thin the herd and create decent selective breeding by dominant bucks.

3. Trying to educate dog slobs is a waste of time, unless you can educate them by thinning what's in their pocketbook. All of these guys know what they're doing is wrong...they just don't care. They hurt legitimate hunters far more than keeping their numbers in the game will help.

[MindTrikCallr]

I can vouch for the doe's thing...ladies and gentlemen....YOU HAVE TO SHOOT DOE's....PERIOD...if your doe population gets out of hand...you can kiss your trophy buck dreams BUH BYE cause they just won't be there.

[Ringneck]

Boy, lots to address...

1. If you are associated with a dog club that shoots does, you are a member of a minority. Most dog clubs still fine doe shooters. Their famous rally cry is, "You ain't gonna have no deer if'n you shoot the ones havin' the baybees!"

2. I've never heard of a still hunting club trying to practice QDMA by not shooting does. On the other hand, I've heard of plenty who fine buck shooters, especially when they are first starting out, then later fining those who shoot non-cull bucks, while charging trophy fees for good bucks, whose take is severely limited, and encouraging maximum doe kill to thin the herd and create decent selective breeding by dominant bucks.

3. Trying to educate dog slobs is a waste of time, unless you can educate them by thinning what's in their pocketbook. All of these guys know what they're doing is wrong...they just don't care. They hurt legitimate hunters far more than keeping their numbers in the game will help.

1. All of the dog clubs that I personally am involved with shoot does. Some are even QDM clubs that selective harvest bucks even though they run dogs. It can be done!
2. Recent studies indicate that over 30% of immature bucks (spikes, 3's and 4's) breed does in QDM managed herds (see DeYoung, et al, J. Mamm. 90(4):946-953, 2009). So much for the Selective Dominant Buck theory.
3. Most dog clubs are legitimate, but since they don't cause problems we don't hear about them.