blind law ?

[RENTAL MAN]

what are the blind laws for Carteret county. Is it 300 or 500 yards. Gonna be that way tomorrow thought about looking around for later

[obx-dux]

>>> 500

[RENTAL MAN]

Thanks

[duckplucker]

Blind law is the least of your problem, its the pound nets, post from old blinds in the water, sandbars/ shoals, crabpots in the channel etc. You may also want to keep an eye out for a lone decoy or other type of float all by itself in the water. The locals mark their corn piles there too. At least some mark their corn piles, doesn't mean all of them do. If you can get around all this then you can worry about the blind law. I think the NWS has a small craft advisory posted for that area tomrrow too. Enjoy!

[hunterg]

Just to add to your blind laws question in Carteret County. Get there bright and early with your decoys already out and ready for some local drunk to kick you out of the blind you claimed. Law says first come first serve but Carteret County locals don't see it that way.

Got the boat numbers off the boat of the guys who kicked me out of my blind Christmas Eve and reported it to the GW for hunter harassment.

[Ringneck]

Here is the law. Good Luck!

Section 3 (2)??

S.B. 616 CHAPTER 581
#1981

AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR SAFE DISTANCES FOR HUNTING MIGRATORY WILD
WATERFOWL IN CARTERET AND PAMLICO COUNTIES.



Section 1. Except as provided in Section 2 of
this act, it is unlawful to take migratory wild waterfowl within
500 yards of another person's permanently established hunting
location.
Sec. 2. This act does not apply to a person
taking migratory wild waterfowl:
(1) On property of which he is the landholder or has the
landholder's permission to hunt; or
(2) Within the riparian water area of property of which he is
the landholder or has the landholder's permission to hunt; or
(3) If he comes within 500 yards of another person's
permanently established hunting location only after legally
shooting at migratory wild waterfowl and while in active pursuit
of a visible, crippled bird.
Sec. 3. The definitions of Subchapter IV of
Chapter 113 of the General Statutes apply in interpreting this
act. A "permanently established hunting location" is a blind,
float, raft, mat, or other buoyant craft or any other location,
position, or device that is permanently established for hunting
migratory wild waterfowl at a specific site by:
(1) The landholder of the property; or
(2) The riparian landholder, if the site is on or in water and
hunting rights in that water are not controlled by someone other
than the riparian landholder; or
(3) A person who has written permission to establish the
permanent site from a landholder who would qualify under
subdivisions (1) or (2).
Sec. 4. Any person who violates this act is
guilty of a misdemeanor. A first offense is punishable by a fine
of not less than ten dollars ($10.00) nor more than two hundred
fifty dollars ($250.00), imprisonment not to exceed five months,
or both. A second offense is a misdemeanor punishable by
mandatory revocation of the violator's hunting licenses and
cancellation of all his hunting privileges for one year and by
fine, imprisonment or both in the discretion of the court. The
court must notify the North Carolina Wildlife Resources
Commission of such revocation of licenses and cancellation of
privileges.
Sec. 5. This act applies only to the counties of
Carteret and Pamlico.
Sec. 6. This act is effective upon ratification.
In the General Assembly read three times and ratified, this the
15th day of June, 1981.

[QuakAttack]

Just to add to your blind laws question in Carteret County. Get there bright and early with your decoys already out and ready for some local drunk to kick you out of the blind you claimed. Law says first come first serve but Carteret County locals don't see it that way.

Got the boat numbers off the boat of the guys who kicked me out of my blind Christmas Eve and reported it to the GW for hunter harassment.

I was told that some of the blinds are registered with numbers posted in/on the blind. If the blind is registered then they are private blinds and the first come first serve rule does not apply.

[Ringneck]

Blinds are only "registered" (permitted) in Currituck and Dare Counties as far as I know. Pamlico and Carteret counties have their own local blind laws as passed by the G.S., so the public water first-come first-served rule does not apply. If someone is in a blind without permission then they are the one's that are breaking the law.
There are a lot of local "unwritten" laws Downeast , so if it ain't your blind, it's best to stay away from it.

[Jimbob]

Pamlico and Carteret blinds erected over water are public. HOWEVER, the locals HATE dingbatters who invade the blinds they build, and are subject to taking whatever corrective action they see as fit to remedy the tresspassing situation...including, but not limited to, cutting tires and brake lines of alien vehicles at local ramps, and direct confrontation involving whatever weapon it takes to get the job done.

[IGOTTEM2]

Pamlico and Carteret blinds erected over water are public. HOWEVER, the locals HATE dingbatters who invade the blinds they build, and are subject to taking whatever corrective action they see as fit to remedy the tresspassing situation...including, but not limited to, cutting tires and brake lines of alien vehicles at local ramps, and direct confrontation involving whatever weapon it takes to get the job done.

Sounds like those guys take it serious.

[Ringneck]

They are private until someone takes them to court and gets an interpretation of the law. The locals probably know that the law will be thrown out, so they'll continue to use "other" means to discourage anyone from going down there and starting trouble. On the other hand, regardless of where the blind is located, if someone takes the time and effort to build a blind and keep it up, it's not right to have someone use it as they please. We have 2 blinds down there and only hunt from them when the weather is so bad that we can't go anywhere else. Building them is easy. The maintenance is horrendous. My problem with the law is the 500 yard rule. Locking up an area 1,000 yards in diameter around a blind location is simply not right. In reality, as far as the hunting goes, most of the blinds suck. That is why I hunt from a boat, keep my distance, kill ducks and enjoy life. I know Jimbob was heavily involved in this matter several years ago. I don't want to open that can of worms again. For those of you who hunt down there, just use good sense, common courtesy and follow the golden rule.

[captchaos]

Amen Ringneck!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ken Roberts]

some people just do not have any blind ettiquette or they are just plain @$% holes who should have their @#% kicked because they do not have any respect for anything in life, if all people were like Chaos, hunting would be a lot easier and better for all of us, I've been with him on both ends of this deal, not saying he is such a great guy, joking, Kent

[Jimbob]

So let me get this right...if I go into a public body of water that is not subject to blind registration laws, and build me one, you and everybody else are - because you have that special, good, blind etiquette - going to honor my claim to that stretch of public water, and stay away, just because I take a half day and a hundred bucks worth of material and build a blind?

[Ringneck]

Yup, I will. Same goes if I see you setting up somewhere. I'll do my best to give you enough room to hunt without setting up right on top of you, which happens quite frequently on public waters. As far as blinds, some local laws say what I can or cannot do around them. I would prefer that if the blind is unoccupied that I could hunt adjacent to it until the owner showed up (but not in it! I didn't build it, it ain't mine, and I have no business fooling around with it). That is simple courtesy.

If you really want to look at restrictive laws, forget Pamlico and Carteret and look at Currituck, where you cannot hunt AT ALL in the Sound without a stick or boat blind license, regardless of distance. As soon as you launch your boat with gun and gear with the intent of hunting you are violating the law! Talk about extreme!

Whether you support or oppose these regulations, certain counties have local laws pertaining to blinds on public waters. Those laws were reviewed and voted on by the General Assembly. Right or wrong, it's the law and if you don't like it, you can always try to change it or simply hunt someplace else.

[Jimbob]

The way things are going, it will be someplace else...other than NC. Special interests have destroyed public hunting in this state. Won't be much longer, and NC will be as bad as Michigan, where there is no public trust water.

The law in most NC counties currently holds that blinds constructed on public waters become public property. I see no reason to allow somebody to commandeer large areas of public water simply because they choose to build public blinds on public water. You call it courtesy to honor such, I call it dumb. Repeat, anybody who builds a blind in public water is just constructing a publicly owned structure. I think we should silently thank them, then use the heck out of it...they know, or should know, what the law is when they do it.

As for the blinds built in Core Sound, the acts of the builders to protect them are criminal if they do more than ask 1 time for you to leave. Anything else will constitute hunter harassment, at the very least, and assault with a deadly weapon, or worse, if it goes further. I'll put it this way...if I choose to hunt Core Sound in a blind built on public water, it will take a recorded criminal act to get me to leave.

[Ringneck]

The thing to do is to get caught hunting a blind in Pamlico or Carteret and be charged under the Save Hunter "whatever" law, plead innocent, and see what happens. The only problem is that no one down there will call the law, so it will probably come down to a fight or a "self-defense" kill'n and the law will still not be tested. I'm not going to mess with other folks property, regardless of where it is.
If you anchor your boat on public water, go somewhere for lunch, do I have the right to board it and fish without your permission or would I be trespassing? I mean, it is on public waters? What's the difference in someone building a blind and someone anchoring a boat. Both are on public waters, and depending on which county they are located, both are licensed and/or protected by law.

[Jimbob]

The difference is that the blind is attached to the public property, and thus becomes part of it. It is NO LONGER private property, but in fact, PUBLIC property. The only way one could be considered private property would be if it were attached to private property, then it, in fact, would be private under the property owner's riparian rights, just as is a pier.

We had a discussion about "taking one" for the good of the cause, and fighting it out. Unfortunately I, like most of the people most damaged by that law, lack the funding (conservatively estimated at $20,000) to take it through all the appeals necessary to have it declared unconstitutional.

[little possum]

[quote="Ringneck"]Yup, I will. Same goes if I see you setting up somewhere. I'll do my best to give you enough room to hunt without setting up right on top of you, which happens quite frequently on public waters. As far as blinds, some local laws say what I can or cannot do around them. I would prefer that if the blind is unoccupied that I could hunt adjacent to it until the owner showed up (but not in it! I didn't build it, it ain't mine, and I have no business fooling around with it). That is simple courtesy.

Thats the way I look at it.
And your view on locking out 1000 yards of bank.

I was at the coast last week and there was a blind every 500 yards. And we just simply could not risk taking the boat out any farther, had to turn back and head to the house. that is a long ride for 9 ducks, but better than my trip to AR in Dec

And all the hostile actions over DIVERS??? Can somebody tell me how to cook them?

[zwatters021]

And all the hostile actions over DIVERS??? Can somebody tell me how to cook them?

-Soak them in Zesty italian dressing for 3-5 hours
-Wrap them in bacon
-Cook them on a roofing shingle for 15 minutes
-Throw the duck away and eat the shingle

[QuakAttack]

-Soak them in Zesty italian dressing for 3-5 hours
-Wrap them in bacon
-Cook them on a roofing shingle for 15 minutes
-Throw the duck away and eat the shingle

You forgot about the cream cheese!

[duckplucker]

Divers and Sea Ducks are okay to eat just soak the breast in salt water or milk and drain all the blood out of them 1st. I think the blood gives it a bit of the liver taste to me. I don't think any duck is that great to eat, I can sure find other things I would rather make a meal of.

[captchaos]

If you anchor your boat on public water, go somewhere for lunch, do I have the right to board it and fish without your permission or would I be trespassing? I mean, it is on public waters? What's the difference in someone building a blind and someone anchoring a boat. Both are on public waters, and depending on which county they are located, both are licensed and/or protected by law.

i think this part was side stepped.

I use to have a few blinds and didn't mind "others" hunting them. But like you said you put in a hundred bucks and some time and some jerkoff comes out there and tears the door off, breaks the steps or just plain shoots holes in it.
That would put a bad taste in anyones month.

"If you use you leave it better than you found it."
How many times have we all heard about this. I know a few make it bad for all and those few are the ones for the laws and attitudes of those who try to have something nice.
Just cause your car is in a public parking lot don't give the right for everyone to drive it wreck it and leave it for you to fix, then why should by blind on public water be a "toy" for everyone to mess up.

You see it on this forum all the time...SCOUT!!!!!

Scout out a place thats legal for you to hunt. Put you a blind up and enjoy it. Just cause there is a blind there doesn't mean its the best spot. If you hate Cyber Scouting....Then why hunt where someone else has already scouted. Do you own homework and leave others work alone. Its too easy to cyber scout and its too easy to get in someone's blind. Don't be lazy....get out and find a good spot for youself!!!

Just my $.02

[Jimbob]

If you anchor your boat on public water, go somewhere for lunch, do I have the right to board it and fish without your permission or would I be trespassing? I mean, it is on public waters? What's the difference in someone building a blind and someone anchoring a boat. Both are on public waters, and depending on which county they are located, both are licensed and/or protected by law.

i think this part was side stepped. Not so...

The difference is that the blind is attached to the public property, and thus becomes part of it. It is NO LONGER private property, but in fact, PUBLIC property. The only way one could be considered private property would be if it were attached to private property, then it, in fact, would be private under the property owner's riparian rights, just as is a pier.

I use to have a few blinds and didn't mind "others" hunting them. But like you said you put in a hundred bucks and some time and some jerkoff comes out there and tears the door off, breaks the steps or just plain shoots holes in it.
That would put a bad taste in anyones month. I also built a few blinds over the years. The last one is 20 years old and still standing. Every one I built was done for my convenience, in full knowledge that I didn't own it, and that I had absolutely no rights to it. As for others damaging it or leaving it all trashed up, I expected that, too, and was always pleasantly surprised when I found it not needing any repairs, or cleanup.

"If you use you leave it better than you found it."
How many times have we all heard about this. I know a few make it bad for all and those few are the ones for the laws and attitudes of those who try to have something nice.
Just cause your car is in a public parking lot don't give the right for everyone to drive it wreck it and leave it for you to fix, then why should by blind on public water be a "toy" for everyone to mess up.Vast difference between YOUR car being parked on a public deck, and a bind that is by law, a public structure. You guys seem to forget this fact...By virtue of being erected over public water, the title to it passes to the public. You have NO ownership of it at all.

You see it on this forum all the time...SCOUT!!!!!I'm probably one of the most vocal advocates of scouting on any board. In virtually every case, when I come upon a blind constructed over public water, I am there to hunt an area that I have previously hunted...that somebody else feels they have "discovered" and want to claim as their own by building a blind there. On nearly all public waters of this state, there are no secret spots. The difference of scouting is to find out what area is holding birds. Did you really think you "discovered" a spot in Core Sound? I think not. More likely, you found a spot that was holding birds, perhaps for the first time in your experience, but that would be your only discovery.

Scout out a place thats legal for you to hunt. Put you a blind up and enjoy it. Just cause there is a blind there doesn't mean its the best spot. If you hate Cyber Scouting....Then why hunt where someone else has already scouted. Do you own homework and leave others work alone. Its too easy to cyber scout and its too easy to get in someone's blind. Don't be lazy....get out and find a good spot for youself!!!See above.

Just my $.02

[Ken Roberts]

Dang man, why don't everyone just get a boat and hunt from it and if you get there first you win, if someone sets up on you beat the living heck out of him and the next time he will beat you there, but remember you are not the only bad **** on the water

[captchaos]

Ken
If thats the case I may need to get some bigger guys going with me. lol

[Jimbob]

Dang man, why don't everyone just get a boat and hunt from it and if you get there first you win, if someone sets up on you beat the living heck out of him and the next time he will beat you there, but remember you are not the only bad **** on the water

No bad **** here, and no desire for confrontation. BUT if I desire to hunt a blind built on public water, I'll hunt it, and defend my right to do so. Done it before and will do it again, if necessary. There are no secret spots involved here. Big water, visible to anybody riding by. I hate to see them pop up in areas where I've been hunting freely for 30 years or more, and the builders (note that I didn't say owners) think they have established some claim to the area. AND if somebody got there first in the a.m. I always have plans B,C,and D...they can have it, no prob.

[Ken Roberts]

Kent, if you get bigger than you and the GN, you can have the blind, the boat and all of the dekes except for the Mr. Curt's, the Talton's and the rockin H ones, so you get all of the plastic ones, you big headed bully

[captchaos]

If I were you I would use those Rocking H decoys as firewood.

Plastic....they make decoys out of Plastic....thats odd!!! lol

Hey you going to try the blinds this weekend....better get there early before someone gets in it 1st...lol

[RENTAL MAN]

Captcaos, Ill be glad to go with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[captchaos]

well let's load the boat up!!!!